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Vector diagrams for linear patterns of the skin[edit]
Article(s): en:Langer's lines, en:Blaschko's lines, en:Dermatome (anatomy)
- Request
- I think it would be nice to have standardized vector images for the three common linear patterns of the skin (i.e., Langer's lines, Blaschko's lines, and dermatomes). This article has diagrams of all three of them, but you may want to look at several images for each because there's some variability between different representations.
- As far as the styles of the illustrations, the format of side-by-side anterior and posterior views is the most common.
- From a scientific standpoint, one important consideration to remember is that Langer's lines represent a vector field of skin tension, while Blaschko's lines and dermatomes are used to demarcate particular segments of skin. In other words, for Langer's lines, the lines themselves are what's important, while for Blaschko's lines and dermatomes, it's the segments of skin between the lines that are important. This should influence the choice of coloring style. I think it's going to be too complicated to accurately color Langer's lines and I haven't found any images attempting it, so those don't need to be colored. For the other two, the segments should be colored (we don't even technically need lines between them if the contrast between the colors is enough to see the boundaries between the segments, but I'll defer to your judgement on that). The unique thing about Blaschko's lines is that they have a directionality to them, from back to front (i.e., wrapping around from spine to navel), from medial to lateral (shoulders to fingers) and from top to bottom (hips to toes). The image here may show the directionality a bit better for the legs. I'm not sure what the best way to show the directionality of the segments will be, but perhaps shading them so the beginning is more saturated than the end. Dermatomes should be filled with color according to the level of the nerves innervating them, as shown here.
- Graphist opinion(s)
Request taken by --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:10, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
@Rob Hurt: I will really need your help all the way here. So you want three different images each representing different lines; Langer's lines, Blaschko's lines, and dermatomes. So first we will have to find a body illustration that can be used for them all. After that I will check more into each and will for sure have questions. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:10, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Base bodies[edit]
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@Rob Hurt: Now I finally have the drafts for the bodies, sorry it took so long.
We now (if those are fine with you) have to decide how you want the bodies:
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Langer's lines[edit]
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Rob Hurt, Could you link me to a few of the best images you know of regarding Langer's lines, thanks. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 11:51, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
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@Rob Hurt Now you can find them here; Langer's lines 3D shaded true SVG. If you don't see any problems there this part should be Done
- For the "gender-neutral version" I'm struggling. If you search for "Androgynous human body illustration" there is not much difference to them and what we have, the genital parts are toned down in the ones we have here already. I do understand your point but to me the people censoring stuff like this is living in a world which I don't want to be a part of. And it will be so hard to decide how to look e.g. would male breasts be fine but not female breasts etc. Can we leave it for now and return later on.
Blaschko's lines[edit]
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Can you give me a short explanation and link to images which you say is representative for what you want. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 19:02, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Rob Hurt Here you have to check if those lines a good for Blaschko. Don't think about lines sticking out, will fix that later. Those drafts are PNG versions of the original SVG file I'm working in and will upload to commons. Draft-1 100%
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Rob Hurt I haven't heard from you in a while so now I have uploaded the Blaschko files and you can find them here: Blaschko's lines, patterns 3D shaded true SVG
- I had to guess some for description and so. It would be great if you could check and let me know if there is anything that needs to be changed.
- So if this is done what is the third type of illustrations you want? --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 19:11, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Goran tek-en sorry for the delay, but yes those look good and I'll probably make a few minor edits to the metadata.
Dermatomes[edit]
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The last type of illustration would be dermatomes, which do have a very specific and consistent structure to how they are arranged, and are separated into C, T, L, and S subsets. There are some vector images here already, but they're cartoonish and not very accurate. Can you use this and this image as your guides to overlay onto the base bodies you have? Rob Hurt (talk) 01:04, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
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- @Goran tek-en Four general points to start: first, the diagrams aren't exact down to the centimeter, and there's variability among individuals in terms of which nerves innervate which patches of skin, and sometimes multiple nerve fibers can innervate the same patch; second, some diagrams show the developmental innervation and some show the clinical innervation, and the maps were also determined in different ways throughout medical research history, so that's why there can be differences; third, even though all the nerves exit from the spinal cord, they can surface anywhere, so the patches of skin don't have to be connected in any particular way. Nerves can also branch, and depending on where that happens, it can lead to areas that are innervated by the same nerve that aren't next to each other; fourth, we don't always expect patches to wrap from front to back--each patch has a line separating it from its neighbors, and sometimes those lines can occur on the sides of the body and aren't shown in the diagrams. This should help with the hands, and you can look at A and B of this to refine the legs, but you'll see that some of the boundaries are on the side of the leg. Let me know if you have more questions. Rob Hurt (talk) 02:08, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Rob Hurt I haven't understood that the areas originated from nerves, that explains a lot. I believed that it was areas on the surface of the skin, so now I understand more your points, thanks.
- New drafts and the codes I don't have is marked X1 etc. draft front back. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 19:42, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Goran tek-en Good, I'm glad that clarified things.
- Those nerves originate from several nerve roots, and branch in the arm to innervate different patches of skin. But if you want a code for them, it would be:
- X1: C8, T1
- X2: C6-8
- X3: C6-8
- Rob Hurt (talk) 23:41, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Rob Hurt It's not what I want, it's your request so you say if you want codes or not. If you want you can have two versions, with and with out codes.
- Draft for your feedback, check everything, thanks. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 10:57, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Goran tek-en Ok I think this looks great. Rob Hurt (talk) 01:04, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Rob Hurt Should the male illustration be the same or any changes? --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:51, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Goran tek-en Nope I think they should be the same. Rob Hurt (talk) 19:18, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Rob Hurt Sorry for the delay but my family is having a bad time, will be back in due time. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:49, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Goran tek-en No problem, that's much more important, and I hope everything works out ok. Rob Hurt (talk) 22:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Rob Hurt Sorry for the delay but my family is having a bad time, will be back in due time. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:49, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Goran tek-en Nope I think they should be the same. Rob Hurt (talk) 19:18, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Rob Hurt Should the male illustration be the same or any changes? --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:51, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Goran tek-en Ok I think this looks great. Rob Hurt (talk) 01:04, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Goran tek-en Four general points to start: first, the diagrams aren't exact down to the centimeter, and there's variability among individuals in terms of which nerves innervate which patches of skin, and sometimes multiple nerve fibers can innervate the same patch; second, some diagrams show the developmental innervation and some show the clinical innervation, and the maps were also determined in different ways throughout medical research history, so that's why there can be differences; third, even though all the nerves exit from the spinal cord, they can surface anywhere, so the patches of skin don't have to be connected in any particular way. Nerves can also branch, and depending on where that happens, it can lead to areas that are innervated by the same nerve that aren't next to each other; fourth, we don't always expect patches to wrap from front to back--each patch has a line separating it from its neighbors, and sometimes those lines can occur on the sides of the body and aren't shown in the diagrams. This should help with the hands, and you can look at A and B of this to refine the legs, but you'll see that some of the boundaries are on the side of the leg. Let me know if you have more questions. Rob Hurt (talk) 02:08, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Banners for these Coat of Arms[edit]
Article(s): en:Principality of Arbanon - en:Principality of Muzaka - en:Principality of Dukagjini
- Request
- I Need their coat of arms made into banners. Thank you! --Arberian2444 (talk) 02:19, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Graphist opinion(s)
- Arberian2444, do you have official / reliable sources to show what their flags look like? --痛 (talk) 03:38, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- 痛 It should be on the pages of the each article. The photos of the coat of arms takes you to a reliable source. If not there should be a description of the the coat of arms and hopefully where they got it from. I just need them these coat of arms to be made into banners.Arberian2444 (talk) 06:55, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Arberian2444: I can tell that all coat of arms are backed by reliable sources. My inquiry is just for the flags — I was searching online for things like "Arbanon flags", but all I got were "arbanon coat of arms" everywhere, with maybe a few fan-made flags here and there. --痛 (talk) 15:54, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- User:痛I Mean Its similiar what they did for the bosnian coat of arms someone turned them into a banner. I just want the same thing done for these coat of arms :). Because it would kinda be impossible for a banner to survive this long in real life to have evidence. Arberian2444 (talk) 17:23, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Arberian2444: Understandable. However, as you can see from the "flags made of ready-made elements" request below, one cannot always predict what a flag looks like from their coat of arms. While I can always draw a single-colored rectangle and put these bird animals in the middle, it is ultimately considered original research. I just did another research but still couldn't find any sources online... maybe some other graphists here who understand Albanian can do a better search through books. --痛 (talk) 23:33, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ok thanks anyways! Arberian2444 (talk) 02:25, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Arberian2444: Understandable. However, as you can see from the "flags made of ready-made elements" request below, one cannot always predict what a flag looks like from their coat of arms. While I can always draw a single-colored rectangle and put these bird animals in the middle, it is ultimately considered original research. I just did another research but still couldn't find any sources online... maybe some other graphists here who understand Albanian can do a better search through books. --痛 (talk) 23:33, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- User:痛I Mean Its similiar what they did for the bosnian coat of arms someone turned them into a banner. I just want the same thing done for these coat of arms :). Because it would kinda be impossible for a banner to survive this long in real life to have evidence. Arberian2444 (talk) 17:23, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Arberian2444: I can tell that all coat of arms are backed by reliable sources. My inquiry is just for the flags — I was searching online for things like "Arbanon flags", but all I got were "arbanon coat of arms" everywhere, with maybe a few fan-made flags here and there. --痛 (talk) 15:54, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- @痛 and Arberian2444:
- for Principality of Dukagjini, I've found: [6] (in [7]) (and proposals of what could have been such a flag: [8], [9])
- and also in en.wiki: en:File:Dukagjini.svg
- yours, En rouge (talk) 21:10, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
@Arberian2444: Very bold guess: I assumed the banner of arms were identical to the coat of arms depicted in Commons/Wikipedia images. I consdiered them fictitious flags and put them in the proper categories. use them with strong caution, otherwise they could be easily deleted.--Carnby (talk) 17:04, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Badge of An Garda Síochána[edit]
Article(s): w:Garda Síochána
- Request
- Please make corrections to svg files. The inscriptions on the Irish Police emblem contain several errors. The current artwork says Sarda Síochána. This is probably because the original artwork used an celtic G (Ᵹ), which at first glance may look a lot like an S. Letters in svg graphics are curves, different sizes and thicknesses. Swiãtopôłk (talk) 23:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Graphist opinion(s)
- Swiãtopôłk,
your request above contains a mix of English and Polish instructions. Can you elaborate your request in English?Is the G letter the only thing that needs to be patched? -- 痛 (talk) 02:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)- 痛 Oh, sorry, I don't know how it happened and why I noticed the problem with the language earlier. Actually, all letters should be corrected, bold. Apart from G, N and H deserve special attention. Swiãtopôłk (talk) 07:29, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Swiãtopôłk: Just to make sure I understand correctly — only the texts on the "ring" need correction. The S needs to be changed to a G, and all the cursive writings need to be replaced by a thicker sans-serif font. 痛 (talk) 04:41, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- @痛: Yes, all repairs must be entered on the badges. The blue ring "Air Support Unit" is not confusing. Swiãtopôłk (talk) 08:10, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Swiãtopôłk: Just to make sure I understand correctly — only the texts on the "ring" need correction. The S needs to be changed to a G, and all the cursive writings need to be replaced by a thicker sans-serif font. 痛 (talk) 04:41, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- 痛 Oh, sorry, I don't know how it happened and why I noticed the problem with the language earlier. Actually, all letters should be corrected, bold. Apart from G, N and H deserve special attention. Swiãtopôłk (talk) 07:29, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Swiãtopôłk: I've updated both SVGs. I hope you like them, because the letters are all hand-drawn this time :P --痛 (talk) 03:46, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- That's exactly what I meant, thank you, it's great. Swiãtopôłk (talk) 14:49, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
SVG flag-map[edit]
Article(s): Portuguese Colonial War, Rhodesian Bush War and South African Border War.
- Request
- Please create a SVG flag-map of Southern Africa in 1968, thx. ColorfulSmoke (talk) 13:44, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- Graphist opinion(s)
- Done--Mike Rohsopht (talk) 16:59, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Seal of the General Secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea[edit]
Article(s): w:General Secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea
- Request
- An user posted a tweet to my talk page show a document seal of the General Secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea, it would be nice to make it vectorised. --Great Brightstar (talk) 14:43, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Graphist opinion(s)
- Is there any evidence that indicates this seal design is in the public domain (author life + 50y), per the North Korean law? Guessing from the dates in that tweet collage, it looks like WPK Chairman emblem.svg is the older version of the seal, and they designed a new seal in Jan 2021? 痛 (talk) 17:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- I believe that the seal design is in public domain due to it being used for state management without commercial purpose. Migs005 (talk) 05:00, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delay. It looks like the image is too blurred for me to nail down the details. Is it possible to find some high-resolution images of the seal? I Googled around in English but to no avail. --痛 (talk) 01:06, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Fictional province of Empolese-Valdelsa[edit]
Article(s): it:Utente:Carnby, it:Unione dei comuni Circondario dell'Empolese Valdelsa
- Request
- Could you please improve a bit the prancing donkey details?--Carnby (talk) 04:19, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Graphist opinion(s)
Atlas of the Munsell Color System[edit]
Article(s): s:Index:Atlas of the Munsell color system.djvu
- Color realignment of scans
- The colors in this are yellowed/faded. However, I've found that at some point certain tones in Munsell's system were formally defined, so it should in the theory be possible to use the information in this work, coupled with some formally defined 'renotation' data, to determine a color correction that can be applied to these (and other scans).
- I appreciate that this is a long-term request, and may need a semi-expert to figure out the relevant correction factor(s) to be applied.
- (In some other fields there is the concept of a 'crib'. I am wondering if this can be approrpiately corrected, Commons would have a 'color crib' which could be used to help color shift other images, requested for retouching.
- Additional Notes:
- I'm not sure if a simple one stage correction can be applied.
- Differing pigments may have different degrees of shift.
- At some point the Munsell system was rescaled?
--ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:27, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
- Graphist opinion(s)
- @ShakespeareFan00: Hi,
- I don't know if it's really a good idea to adjust colors of this atlas.
- In my opinion, it seems that keeping this book as is, as it was published, as it has aged, as it has been scanned is worth it.
- I think it's better to build brand new plates (in svg format for instance – as done in [10]–), referring to this album, to explain and illustrate Munsell system.
- En rouge (talk) 20:40, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Moreover, the atlases at [11], [12] and [13] (I don't know if they are the same, or same as your previous link, but I mention them as reminders) can be of any help.
- En rouge (talk) 21:19, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- @En rouge: It would still be nice to have version of the Plates of this as SVG though. The other point about having a corrected version for references was that by having a non-faded version of this, it would be possible to have some kind of benchmark that could be used to assist other color correction efforts on Commons.
ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:48, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- As a temporary measure, having JPG's for the Plates would still of course be useful :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:48, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- I will make first the SVG of the Plates. About to restore the scan, I'm thinking to first correct the yellowish colour of the pages caused by the time, and then correct the color charts to match the SVG, because we can't know how the original pigment was. What do you think? Núria Florensa Adell (talk) 15:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- That was exactly the kind of approach I was suggesting :). If it's possible by taking that approach, to also note how specific pigments are affected by fading and yellowing, then that is also critical information that could help improve color corrections performed on other images. Here there are 'defined' colors to some extent, and it should be possible to determine more quantatively what color shifts affect older works ( and scans) with color reproductions in them. I would strongly suggest, if you hadn't considered doing so, documenting the process you undertaken somehow (Wikiversity would be a good place for something like that.)ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Sobre determinar com cada pigment és afectat per l'engroguiment (yellowing) i el descoloriment, no tinc els coneixements per fer-ho i aplicar-ho a correccions. Requeriria matemàtiques complexes i penso que no val la pena. No crec ni que sigui plausible:
- - El descoloriment depèn del temps d'exposició a la llum, la intensitat i la freqüència de la llum, l'estructura química del pigment en qüestió... Circumstàncies que o desconeixes o, coneixent-les, quantificar-les per utilitzar un algoritme corrector seria impracticable
- - L'engroguiment depèn de l'acidesa del paper, la composició del paper, l'ambient on a estat exposat...
- - Has de conèixer exactament quin pigment es va utilitzar
- Que consti que jo no sóc experta en la matèria, quins coneixements tens tu sobre el tema?
- Mètode per restaurar obra impresa amb el GIMP
- Avís: és el que faig servir jo, pot haver-n'hi de millors, no n'he fet recerca
- Engroguiment (yellowing)
- Amb el comptagotes, prendre una mostra ponderada (com més gran millor) d'una zona que hauria de ser blanca (assumim que era blanc pur)
- Crear una nova capa "yellowing" del color del primer pla que acabem d'agafar-ne mostra
- Configurar el mode de la capa "yellowing" com a "divideix" (Divide)
- Això seria equivalent a fer un balanç de blanc, però té l'avantatge, que si és un llibre i totes les pàgines tenen la mateixa afectació, no cal fer-lo cada vegada i no hi ha variacions, totes es corregeixen uniformement.
- Descoloriment (fading)
- Veure si hi ha una zona no (tant) descolorida, per exemple, dels llibres s'acostuma a descolorir el llom però no pas les cobertes. Si a la zona no afectada hi ha colors que estan afectats en una altra zona, es poder fer servir de referència
- To be continued
- Faré recerca, ho perfeccionaré i en faré un tutorial a Wikiversity Núria Florensa Adell (talk) 21:55, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Do you understand Catalan, or Spanish? I understand English, but to explain complex and technical things it's difficult to me. Núria Florensa Adell (talk) 18:10, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't speak Spanish or Catalan sorry. Is there process for finding translators on Commons? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:01, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know, but i'm writing my response in english and I am achieving it, but I take so long Núria Florensa Adell (talk) 19:04, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- If you feel more comfortable in catlan, My response (using the Translator in Duck Duck Go)(I have no control over any translation errors):-
- Aquest era exactament el tipus d'enfocament que estava suggerint :). Si és possible prenent aquest enfocament, per observar també com els pigments específics es veuen afectats per l'esvaïment i el color groguenc, llavors això també és informació crítica que podria ajudar a millorar les correccions de color realitzades en altres imatges. Aquí hi ha colors "definits" fins a cert punt, i hauria de ser possible determinar de manera més quantativa quins canvis de color afecten les obres més antigues (i les exploracions) amb reproduccions de color en elles. Us suggeriria encaridament, si no us haguéssiu plantejat fer-ho, documentar el procés que heu emprès d'alguna manera (Wikiversity seria un bon lloc per a una cosa així).)
- ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:17, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- La correcció és correcta. Jo puc entendre't bé en anglès, sense traductor, però al escriure trigo molt. Núria Florensa Adell (talk) 20:15, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know, but i'm writing my response in english and I am achieving it, but I take so long Núria Florensa Adell (talk) 19:04, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't speak Spanish or Catalan sorry. Is there process for finding translators on Commons? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:01, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- That was exactly the kind of approach I was suggesting :). If it's possible by taking that approach, to also note how specific pigments are affected by fading and yellowing, then that is also critical information that could help improve color corrections performed on other images. Here there are 'defined' colors to some extent, and it should be possible to determine more quantatively what color shifts affect older works ( and scans) with color reproductions in them. I would strongly suggest, if you hadn't considered doing so, documenting the process you undertaken somehow (Wikiversity would be a good place for something like that.)ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- He fet recerca (és un tema que desconeixia totalment) i me'n adono que és molt més complex perquè són escales perceptuals. Veig que hi ha fonts amb els paràmetres de cada color (varien segons l'edició de l'atles)(veure discussió), però no es poden aplicar directament de forma digital, s'ha de fer una conversió complexa. Si @Jacobolus em pogués ajudar a obtenir els valors RGB, jo podria llavors editar l'atles per a que els colors fossin els originals. Ell segurament podrà respondre't sobre les part tècniques sobre el factor de conversió que proposes Núria Florensa Adell (talk) 22:21, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- I will make first the SVG of the Plates. About to restore the scan, I'm thinking to first correct the yellowish colour of the pages caused by the time, and then correct the color charts to match the SVG, because we can't know how the original pigment was. What do you think? Núria Florensa Adell (talk) 15:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- As a temporary measure, having JPG's for the Plates would still of course be useful :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:48, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- I would recommend against trying to re-color this. There is no way the colors of the physical artifact are precisely as they were in 1915, and there were various changes made to the Munsell Book of Color over time. The Optical Society of America measured the colors in a version of the Munsell Book from about 1930 (if I recall correctly), and then developed the “Munsell renotations” in 1943, which were used subsequently to define the Munsell system. But none of these will precisely match the colors from 1915. Moreover, I would expect some of the colors to not be reproducible on computer displays. I think you should leave this scan as-is. Edit to add: this Atlas is not the full Munsell Book of Color (not sure when the first version of that was published), but only a small subset of color chips used for explaining the system. The color chips in the scan here actually look reasonably good to my eye (the paper yellowed a lot more than the paint chips). I think this scan already does a pretty good job of demonstrating the Munsell color system, and giving useful historical perspective. For any more precise technical purpose this is not the source to look at. –Jacobolus (talk) 23:39, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- That is a reasoning I can understand. Do you have a suitable wording I could add to any scan images uploaded, to say the color reproduction should not be trusted for professional work etc?
- My other question would be, is there material supporting the formal definition of the Munsell system (you mention the renotation) that is copyright free? (I highly doubt there is but would welcome more information). ?
- ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 05:55, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- I will correct the yellowing (above I had explain the method I use). Pigments, not being exposed to light being inside the book, will not have been faded significantly.
- This data about the 1929 edition (the edition of the scan) is not correct? They are measurements taken years after the edition or are the values used to create that edition?
- Thanks! Núria Florensa Adell (talk) 10:43, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, I see that it's the 1915 edition, i don't know how I looked to it Núria Florensa Adell (talk) 10:51, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
SVG flags of Saudi Arabia with incorect calligraphy[edit]
List of images
Article(s): various
- Request
- Several versions of the Saudi flag have a different calligraphy for the Shahada than in the official description (see p. 10). I haven't checked the raster flags, since those will be harder to update. --–LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:04, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Graphist opinion(s)
If File:Flag of Saudi Arabia.svg remains stable for a period of time, then I will update the construction sheet and the colouring page. I am not rushing ahead because I am not convinced that the edit war is over. There have been 22 reverts to File:Flag of Saudi Arabia.svg in the last 9 days and the file remains unlocked. MapGrid (talk) 01:42, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Vectorization of coat of arms and flag of Albanian Republican Guard[edit]
Article(s): en:Republican Guard (Albania)
- Request
- Convert to SVG
- If someone could convert this coa and flag to SVG would be nice. Thank you in advance. --AT44 (talk) 10:44, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- Graphist opinion(s)
- @AT44: I am unable to fulfill the request, but I found ready-made items that can help. Swiãtopôłk (talk) 08:15, 1 july 2022 (UTC)
- @AT44: Half done. The patterns on the goat crown are too hard to see; the twig structure is too time consuming to reproduce exactly the way it looks. I will leave those to anybody else interested in improving them. 痛 (talk) 02:42, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Cơ mật viện ấn (機密院印)[edit]
Article(s): en:Viện cơ mật
- Request
- I would like to request a vectorised version of the above file…
Preferred file name: File:Cơ mật viện ấn (機密院印).svg.
File caption, File description, categorisation, Etc. remains the same.
Description |
English: A seal found on a Tự Đức period document issued by the Cơ mật viện (機密院). |
Date | Ngày 6 tháng 2 năm Tự Đức thứ 24 (26-03-1871). |
Source | Own work based on: File:Cơ mật viện ấn (機密院印) - Ngày 6 tháng 2 năm Tự Đức thứ 24 (26-03-1871).jpg |
Author | Vectorised by (WikiGraphist). |
--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 23:19, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- Graphist opinion(s)
- @Donald Trung: Done. Enjoy. 痛 (talk) 04:35, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- @痛: , Thank you very much. Anyhow, I'm putting the " Section resolved" template both above and below this request as I have the idea that the SPBot doesn't archive these requests in time if the template is only above. I might be wrong here. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 07:06, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
John Vaughan's proposed flag for North Queensland[edit]
Article(s): State of North Queensland
- Request
- Will someone please create an SVG file of John Vaughan's flag proposal for the hypothetical Australian state of North Queensland, as seen in this photo here. Thanks. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 14:42, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Graphist opinion(s)
Hmm... Snow Lion Fenian, do you have a better image than this to show the full graphical details of that flag, ideally from a more reliable source? 痛 (talk) 10:22, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Khâm sai đại thần quan phòng (欽差大臣關防)[edit]
Article(s): en:Emblem of Vietnam#List, en:Tonkin (French protectorate), and more in the (hopefully not too distant) future.
- Request
- Details of your request go here…
- File name: File:Khâm sai đại thần quan phòng (欽差大臣關防).svg.
- File caption:
The Thành Thái period Khâm sai đại thần quan phòng (欽差大臣關防) seal used by the imperial commissioner.
- File description:
Description |
English: The Thành Thái period Khâm sai đại thần quan phòng (欽差大臣關防) seal used by the imperial commissioner. |
Date | Thành Thái 1 (1889). |
Source | Own work based on: File:Khâm Sai Đại Thần quan phòng (欽差大臣關防) - Thành Thái 1 (1889) 02.png |
Author | Vectorised by (WikiGraphist). |
- Categories:
- Category:Khâm sai seals of the Nguyễn dynasty.
- Category:Seals of the French protectorate of Tonkin.
- Category:SVG seals of Vietnam.
--Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:35, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Graphist opinion(s)
- Done. I don't think you have to put the "section resolved" template on the bottom. SpBot might sometimes bug out, but I don't think it is due to the positioning of this template. 痛 (talk) 03:33, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- @痛: , thank you very much for making this image. Regarding the template, I'll only place it at the top then. Thanks again for vectorising this image. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 05:39, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Coopérative de Transport Maritime et Aérien[edit]
- House flag of the Coopérative de Transport Maritime et Aérien (CTMA).svg
- Request
- Please add vectorized versions of these flags. This time I gave the names
- @Swiãtopôłk: Please for Coopérative de Transport Maritime et Aérien (CTMA) and the copyright issue, let us know En rouge (talk) 20:38, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @En rouge: You can make it, it should not meet the threshold of originality in Canada. By the way, I had not noticed before that the flag has a different version of the logo than the one provided in the article [14]. Swiãtopôłk (talk) 21:57, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Swiãtopôłk: OK, but the proposed flag sample is not sufficient to get the appropriate design, as this will lead to a new, created design.
- Uncertainties are:
- star appearance – two options exist, aligned branches vs. circumflex branches –
- outer outline – two options again, equal left/right height vs. left height less than right height –
- And I can't find another photo...
- Moreover, I found an alternative flag design (you can zoom into the picture).
- En rouge (talk) 21:24, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- @En rouge: I am also not able to find much reliable information, but I am sure that the outline resembling the chimney of the ship is higher on the "a" side. The photo clearly shows an equal star that does not touch the circle, so stick with it. The proportions of the flag resemble Canada, which makes sense as flags with similar proportions look nice side by side. An alternate flag shows this logo, part of it is non-free graphics with complicated shading. I hope I have answered all your questions. Swiãtopôłk (talk) 22:57, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- @En rouge: You can make it, it should not meet the threshold of originality in Canada. By the way, I had not noticed before that the flag has a different version of the logo than the one provided in the article [14]. Swiãtopôłk (talk) 21:57, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Swiãtopôłk: as written above, about an alternative flag design,
- this becomes a reality...!
- Using maps.google.com, to look for Coopérative de Transport Maritime et Aérien settlements, I browsed associated private photos. And this alternative flag design appears to be the flag in use.
- The proposed photo of the flag, from Commons: Drapeau du groupe CTMA.JPG: , is dated 2011-08-22 (uploaded 2013-06-07).
- Found photos (from maps.google.com) are dated 2016-08 to 2021-08: [15], [16], [17], [18] and [19]
- The only old flag (Drapeau du groupe CTMA.JPG) was found in a photo (dated 2019-08): [20].
- What are your thinkings? Yours, En rouge (talk) 21:57, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
- @En rouge: I'd rather just leave a description ,,The flag fell into disuse in the second half of the 2010s and has been informally replaced by a copyrighted projector,,. The big problem with this topic is that the company doesn't really care about its flags and doesn't leave too much information. Swiãtopôłk (talk) 19:28, 11 july 2022 (UTC)
- @Swiãtopôłk: I think it's better to pause about House flag of the Coopérative de Transport Maritime et Aérien (CTMA).svg (#6), without any more information!
- Please, have a request at a later time. Yours, En rouge (talk) 01:11, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
House Flags 4/6[edit]
5 LB
Article(s): [[]]
- Request
- Please add vectorized versions of these flags.
1 They used a flag made of 2 pieces of cloth. Do as with the flag on the right, only with the triangle at the bottom.
2
3 I gave a very similar flag belonging to another company but in different colors. It should be similar to the flag of the Netherlands.
4 Without the white border around the letter "W", the logo should not have it either. [21]
5 [22]
6 [23]
Swiãtopôłk (talk) 20:21, 12 july 2022 (UTC)
- Work in progress
@Swiãtopôłk: flag #1, with your colors; I still think blue is too light
Done@Swiãtopôłk: flag #2, with reference red from file: Free Territory Trieste Flag.svg (red in initial png file is too dark)
Done@Swiãtopôłk: flag #3
Done@Swiãtopôłk: flag #4, without white outline, as requested
Done@Swiãtopôłk: flag #5
Done@Swiãtopôłk: flag #6, tell me about this blue color
Done
- @Swiãtopôłk:
- Are names OK? En rouge (talk) 02:11, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Graphist opinion(s)
flag #1
- @Swiãtopôłk:
- rectangular above,
- blue rectangle with a white rectangle inside
- triangle below,
- all red
- same ratio as your sample
- alright?
- but colors?
- En rouge (talk) 02:11, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- @En rouge: 1,2,3 Yes
- Unfortunately, the colors are unknown. All information about the flag comes from such faded cards. My intuition tells me something similar to #54d5e9, #D01515
- As for the proportion of the blue frame, the white area will be 1/3 the height of the rectangle. I concluded it after the Blue Peter looked like this. Swiãtopôłk (talk) 07:34, 13 july 2022 (UTC)
- @Swiãtopôłk: Please have a look at two samples for #1 at svg test page.
- It seems that your blue (lighter) proposal is unfitting.
- For the colors I propose (image with darker blue), I've tried to approximate against Job Brothers & Co., Limited logo.jpg: .
- But maybe your red has a better look... En rouge (talk) 14:30, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- @En rouge: The one above, but replace blue with #65C3C9 or similar. Exact colors do not matter because in those days it was not possible to unify it exactly. Swiãtopôłk (talk) 08:10, 16 july 2022 (UTC)
flag #4
- @Swiãtopôłk:
- the .svg file Waxholmsbolaget_logo.svg SHALL be edited AND replaced?
- a new file House flag of Waxholmsbolaget.svg SHALL be created
- En rouge (talk) 02:11, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes Swiãtopôłk (talk) 07:34, 13 july 2022 (UTC)
- @Swiãtopôłk: Sorry, but the color logo on the Waxholmsbolaget website shows a white outline for the W (as in existing file Waxholmsbolaget logo.svg: ).
- So, let's the Waxholmsbolaget logo.svg: logo unchanged.
- But, what then for the house flag? En rouge (talk) 22:33, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- @En rouge: If so, don't touch the logo, but let the flag only have three colors. I haven't seen a single photo of a flag or a chimney with a white frame on it. The white version of the logo is also or has been used [24]. Swiãtopôłk (talk) 08:10, 16 july 2022 (UTC)
- @Swiãtopôłk: See rendered #1, #2 and #4 above. En rouge (talk) 17:50, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- @En rouge: Very nice result, thank you. Swiãtopôłk (talk) 20:54, 16 july 2022 (UTC)
- @Swiãtopôłk: FYI: please see [25], En rouge (talk) 20:45, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Swiãtopôłk: See rendered #6 above. En rouge (talk) 22:01, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Swiãtopôłk: See rendered #5 above. En rouge (talk) 00:09, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Also som good. I have nothing to add, thank you. Swiãtopôłk (talk) 08:10, 17 july 2022 (UTC)}}
Flag-maps of Portuguese Guinea and Mozambique[edit]
Article(s):
- Request
- Please update the flag-maps of Portuguese Guinea and Mozambique with the current version of the Portuguese flag. ColorfulSmoke (talk) 04:20, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Graphist opinion(s)
- Done Flagvisioner (talk) 22:02, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
IUCN Statuses missing the letter c[edit]
- Request
- The SVG English IUCN 3.1 statuses are currently bugged in the svg file format, as the letter c seems to be missing, can you fix it?--47.132.83.21 16:33, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Graphist opinion(s)
Request taken by --痛 (talk) 04:02, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
House Flags 5/6[edit]
1 CFRNA
Article(s): [[]]
- Request
- Please add vectorized versions of these flags.
1 CFRNA is an early airline operated a bit like a ship company. Just name this file "Flag of CFRNA.svg" For help, I leave a link to FOTW, but "F" shouldn't be so equal and the "curve leg" sticks out from somewhere else "R" than in the link. It is in these details that different images differ, but mostly they look as I wrote. [26] [27] [28]
2
3 [29] - proportions [30] - pattern "B"
4 I changed the title because "Joseph Somes" was not a company. His business model was to chart his ships to a company he sat on. The new title reflects this better.
5
6 [31]
Swiãtopôłk (talk) 10:03, 17 july 2022 (UTC)
- Work in progress
- Flag of CFRNA.svg
flag #1
Request taken by En rouge - House flag of General Steam Navigation Co Ltd.svg
flag #2
- House flag of Baltimore Steam Packet Company.svg
flag #3
- Joseph Somes's house flag.svg
flag #4
- House flag of Grimaldi Group.svg
flag #5
- House flag of Rederi AB Gotland.svg
flag #6
- @Swiãtopôłk: do you agree with these names? En rouge (talk) 22:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Graphist opinion(s)
flag #1
- @Swiãtopôłk: I've found this: [32] (in [33]) ; same as your reference, here in commons.
- But I've found a more curly version: [34], in [35]. En rouge (talk) 23:10, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Swiãtopôłk: in [36], do you need a cleaner text?
- BTW, paths shall be cleaned, but do you need strict letters, as printed one, or more like this sample, "hand made"? En rouge (talk) 00:28, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- @En rouge:
- All letter bottoms should be slightly rounded.
- The dots should be perfectly round
- Everything white should be of the same thickness
- The field boundary should clip the dot to fall into the "R" in the lower left corner
- #e6132a, #003499
- The "F" arms and proportions are perfect
Swiãtopôłk (talk) 18:03, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Colorize[edit]
Article(s): en:Ah-ai Grotto, zh:阿艾石窟
- Request
- My drawing cannot be colored due to technical reasons, reference is here. --Thyj (talk) 06:58, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Graphist opinion(s)
Chinese dragons on the South Vietnamese coat of arms[edit]
Article(s): [[]] Wherever it's (already) used.
- Request
- Details of your request go here… The main reason I'm requesting it to be overwritten is because of the file name and the fact that it's used within most Infoboxes about the (Second (2nd)) Republic of Vietnam. There already is a blue version, but it's the wrong colour. I pinged the original creator with this message:
- "@Sodacan: , the Chinese Dragons are blue, please make it look more the flag that Greenknight Đại Việt showed above. Even the "alternative blue" colour from the edit war isn't the correct shade of blue, it's the same blue as the Chinese dragon on the flag of the Manchu Qing Dynasty."
But they haven't been online in a while and I have no idea how I can edit these colours on my mobile telephone. I think that a file can be overwritten if the depicted information is wrong, otherwise a new file can be uploaded and the old file should be renamed. Please also see the talk page of the current file, multiple people have pointed this error out. The current version should be uploaded as an alternative file. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 10:34, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Graphist opinion(s)
@Donald Trung: Have a look at the blue version that I uploaded (based on this source) and let me know what you think. M.Bitton (talk) 00:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- @M.Bitton: , excuse me but, why did you remove this? I am on vacation and didn't have the time to reply. The colours look quite good but, did you remove the above because this request is done or you just didn't want to do it? It might be better to strike old comments with "<strike></strike>" than to outright remove them. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 12:35, 19 July 2022 (UTC)