Commons:Categories for discussion/2022/07/Category:Athens, Georgia

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Category:Athens, Georgia[edit]

This category matches a category that contains it. Athens is a consolidated city-county and thus is the same as Athens-Clarke County. The categories Athens, Georgia and Clarke County, Georgia should be merged. Ivangiesen (talk) 12:28, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably Athens is the urban centre of this. Is there any rural periphery to this that would generally be regarded as Athens-Clarke, but not commonly referred to as Athens? Andy Dingley (talk) 13:51, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
From en:w:Athens, Georgia: "... the consolidated city-county (all of Clarke County except Winterville and a portion of Bogart)..." This suggests Clarke County includes not only Athens, but also Winterville and Bogart, yet the latter two are not regarded as part of Athens. --HyperGaruda (talk) 06:34, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@HyperGaruda The county has become Athens-Clarke County. When you say "not only Athens" that there is a difference between Athens and Athens-Clarke County, which there is not, because they are one and the same. See here for clarification from the county government of the issue. Bogart resides partially in Athens-Clarke County and Oglethorpe. The consolidated city-county is fairly rare, so I understand the apprehension to this kind of change. See also for more clarification: Link here. And by the way, earlier in the article that you referred to, en:w:Athens, Georgia, it says "referred to jointly as Athens-Clarke County." Governing wise Athens-Clarke County wholly contains Winterville (which has its own city council and resources). This resource refers to Clarke County as Athens-Clarke County. (see here) and the Georgia Department of Community Affairs refers to the county as Athens-Clarke County (here.)
Although I also see why there could be some confusion because, while all local and Georgia state government related resources refer to the county and everything inside the county as Athens-Clarke County, the census (the two websites I found for census come from data.census.gov and census.gov) (see here) refers to Athens-Clarke County and Clarke County as the slightly different entities for population counting purposes. However, the website I was looking through (census.gov) doesn't even offer the option to search Winterville or Bogart (though I do acknowledge that may be a deficiency in the search query algorithm, you can search up Winterville and Bogart in data.census.gov).
To finish off my point, despite the existence of a slightly (and I argue outdated) naming and differentiation convention of the census for the county and the contained cities, it makes the most practical sense to organize the wiki commons category around the naming and classification conventions of the local peoples and the local and state governments. Ivangiesen (talk) 00:52, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Google search for "Athens-Clarke County" = About 462,000 results. Google search for "Athens, Georgia" = About 5,270,000 results. So "Athens, Georgia" seems to be by far the more common way to refer to the location. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 14:01, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey! Thanks to both of you for y'alls quick replies. I am from and live in Athens, Georgia. It's the smallest county in Georgia and everyone thinks about it the same, Athens is Athens-Clarke County. We use it to say the same thing. The consolidation happend roughly 20+ years, so for me, they have always been the same. --Ivangiesen (talk) 15:24, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Quick web search says the city and county were consolidated in 1991. We might have have historic media that would be in the county but not the city. That could seem to me a point against merging. Have you noticed any such media? -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 16:26, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good point! I think any such media that refers to Clarke County is scant compared to media that explicitly refers to Athens pre-1991, however I’ll do some digging. I mean just speaking about the Clarke County, at minimum there should be a redirect or a name change for that category, as it has been renamed Athens-Clarke County. —Ivangiesen (talk) 17:50, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]


If a move is suggested, then which would the eventual target be? (or a new name). I assume that all existing names would either stay unchanged, or would redirect to this. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:37, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
New target would be Category:Athens-Clarke County. I found a state government website (https://www.dca.ga.gov/sites/default/files/list-web-c_cities_by_county_4-11-22.pdf) that might help clear this up. —Ivangiesen (talk) 17:53, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Athens–Clarke County ? Andy Dingley (talk) 19:05, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes @Andy Dingley I would think that Category:Athens-Clarke County makes the most sense. Ivangiesen (talk) 00:19, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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